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Post by xiangchen on Mar 29, 2016 1:54:58 GMT
I think for a long period of time, Malone's suggestions made a lot of sense and were the goals of many modern file management or operating systems. I remembered the software that brought me to the HCI world - BumpTop - a 3D desktop system that lets the users file and pile stuff just like using a physical desktop. However, as data indexing, searching and retrieving gradually became the norm of information finding, Malone's vision started to seem a bit obsolete. For me, now I don't really care where my files are or how categorized they are to be findable. If I want to find something I simply search for it in the Spotlight search box courtesy of the Mac OS. So is software. The search box under the Help menu item (Mac OS only) pretty much gets rid of looking at the other menus at all, let alone learning or memorizing them. The analogy in Malone's time would be: if the secretary could be so powerful that they can fetch anything the office worker wants, the need of organizing one's office would become the least relevant.
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Post by fannie on Mar 29, 2016 2:07:14 GMT
I do know some people who don’t use the desktop at all on their computer, and do everything only through terminal (search through files and file content, opening applications, etc.), essentially interacting through keywords and tab-completion. It still follows the desk metaphor of folders and files, but I’m curious about differences there might be in this style of interacting with your information vs using GUIs. Also because it was mentioned before whether or not we should invest time into advanced search tools vs better GUIs/visualizations, the terminal-style might be one way to start looking into it. Or even just Google, since nowadays people just interact with the world through Google, which is just one search bar really. Maybe this is starting to get touched on a bit with Chrome OS and its focus on just web browser, or things like Google Now or Siri on your phone. I’m also curious how we might change our way of representing information with our movement to the cloud, which for the most part still follows files/folders, but perhaps is an opportunity to explore new ways of info storage/retrieval when we supposedly can store/retrieve from anywhere.
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Post by kjholste on Mar 29, 2016 2:08:14 GMT
Like Anna, I'd be curious to see studies comparing physical and digital organizational styles. On a related note: it seems to me that some existing digital tools (potentially) blur the line between "project management tools" and "object organization tools". For example, Trello allows users to visually organize "cards" (arranged vertically), within "lists" (arranged horizontally), within "boards". Each card can potentially point to a file, it may be associated with labels, notes, and due dates (which trigger visual task reminders and/or push notifications), and the spatial organization of cards and lists may provide information about priority. Furthermore, users may use lists and labels to cluster cards (files/tasks) along multiple dimensions, and separate boards can be used to create separate "desktops" for separate projects (multiple boards can then of course contain cards pointing to the same file). Trello is not quite designed to be used this way (i.e. without some modification, doing so can be a bit clumsy), but I frequently attempt to use it in place of a desktop for several of the reasons highlighted in this paper. This is not a radical departure from the "desktop model"... but, in line with Qian's suggestion of matching file structure to individual users' mindsets or task requirements, I'd be curious to hear about (or see research on) other methods of organization people use, to at least partially replace a standard virtual desktop.
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Post by anhong on Mar 29, 2016 2:16:49 GMT
Current digital systems have gone way beyond the possibility of a physical desktop. For example, now with Mac's spotlight search, you can easily retrieve documents you edited last month, or pictures you took at a location. Instead of using physical desktop as the metaphor, I think using human memory might be a better one. These search functions are more designed around how human stores information and retrieve them.
On the other hand, the difference use of space in desktop metaphors is interesting. Even for computer systems, the disk space is or might not be an issue, the information that can be displayed on the screen is very limited. That's why some of us are still using physical post-its on our computer screen. To fully realize the reminding functionalities, I feel those technologies should be always-on, while can be easily ignored.
Another thing about desktops is that they are situated in a certain context, e.g., our desk at home and at work are very different. For computers, the advantage is that we can bring home / work to everywhere we want. However, this might be removing the boundary between work and life. Especially for grad students using the same laptop for everything, we are kind of resuming our work even when we open our laptops at home. Maybe one way to promote better work life balance is to make our digital desktops more context aware. When arriving at home and opening our laptop, it should launch the one we last used at home for entertainment, e.g. with a more relaxing background image, with game and music apps launched, etc.
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Post by aato on Mar 29, 2016 2:42:05 GMT
This paper opens up a wider question to me about how we evaluating and make use of papers whose central contribution is a design implication. I think this paper is great, I like the classification of the major purposes for organizational modules within an office/desk. However, as many people have pointed out, the design implications that Malone pulled from these purposes and the weaknesses of the best practices of the time are a seemingly outdated model.
So how long can a design implications paper be considered useful or relevant? I think regardless of the relevance of this model today, we can agree that it is interesting and was an important factor in the design of modern desktops. So do the implications become obsolete once the goal of the design is achieved or once someone instantiates the design? Do we care more about impact - once a design becomes pervasive does it become necessary to reevaluate design principles we have unearthed through cognitive science methods? I recently submitted a paper that focused on design implications for game designers based on behavioral science theory around curiosity. If accepted, how long should game designers take my word that the tips I'm giving them are valid?
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Post by JoselynMcD on Mar 29, 2016 2:47:31 GMT
I agree with Brandon about having trouble visualizing what desktop computers were like at the time of this publication's release. I wish I could have read this paper before I was so indoctrinated into the world of Mac and PC GUI's. I took this paper at face value and think the findings were quite valid, yet I couldn't help but think that the interviews with the participants were lacking in, for lack of a better word, soul. While I know the interviews were narrowed to particular topics like "Finding" and "Retrieving Information", I think that the findings of this paper are lacking in some of the insights about desk organization that incorporate the human experience, and thus the design suggestions are limited in scope. Perhaps I'm somewhat biased, I've been a loud and ardent challenger to the organization of current GUI's and information systems ever since I read Jaron Lanier's 'You are Not a Gadget' whereby he details how the current computer filing structure was decided upon rather quickly and based on traditional filing structures. His description of the process revealed how little of the human experience (which tends to include desktop momentos, notes, doodles, and temporal piles) and how little debate about all the potential options went into the design of office information systems. Not to sound too crazy but what if you didn't hide windows behind other windows, thus forgetting all the other stuff you have open? How crazy would that be?
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Post by nickpdiana on Mar 29, 2016 2:52:10 GMT
First, I'm not sure the desk is the best model to work from if we're trying to develop the best work environment. What would it look like if the modern PC was instead built around a "library" or "study" model? I guess it just doesn't make a lot of sense for computers to try to recreate piles when the notion of a pile seems like a suboptimal solution itself.
Second, I'm partial to the importance of spatially organizing information. I worked in a place once that kept meticulous records. We had to periodically fill out a form that they had used for 20+ years. And on a shelf in my office was every form from the past 20+ years, neatly stored in binders, organized chronologically. On the chaotic days, those binders were an ounce of orderly solace. I've never taken any solace in a an organized file system on a computer. I think there's some value of being able to see the data in a space that is larger than a 13" screen.
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Post by rushil on Mar 29, 2016 2:59:12 GMT
I would pushback on the criticism of the phsyical space metaphor to design a desktop. The paper came out decades ago. At the time the idea behind creating a desktop was to create a digital copy of your work desk, therefore it made perfect sense to study the work desk to model a computer based information system. Does it still hold true? Maybe not, because your PC serves a lot more purposes, but that does not take away from the credibility of this study.
Also, it was funny to read the summarized results. I am mildly confident that if a study was done today to understand people's desktop behavior, it would yield similar results with similar problems. But again, the caveat is even though a modern day information system may provide the functionality that enables the suggestions put forth by the author, how many people do actually use it? Out of the 11 files on my desktop right now, 4 of them are called, temp1, temp2 and so on. I don't leverage the hierarchy system that my system can provide me etc. Does the blame still fall on the machine or is the user wrong in this situation?
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Post by judy on Mar 29, 2016 3:25:53 GMT
I take Nathan's point about a purpose of organization being better future retrieval. And since you don't know what you'll need to search for in the future, how can you create a structure for it. I rely so heavily now on my email's search system. I never, I mean never, file emails, and I only sometimes delete them. I search for everything, which can sometimes be frustrating, especially when I'm trying to remember a particular word used in the subject or the body of the email.
I'm also thinking about how much things have changed when it comes to filing, databases and organization. When I first got out of college I worked designing and managing a company database in Access. My next job was as an archivist, maintaining and creating paper and digital databases (in Filemaker Pro). But even in the jobs I had that were not about databases, people had filing systems that didn't just make sense to themselves, but also to their co-workers or bosses/assistants. The file system actually communicated something. And in Malone's study, the act of not filing something also meant something--that a paper has not yet been classified or need's the workers continued attention. I wonder if in today's work paradigm (more individualized work on individual computers with individual files), not only does the file appropriately filed away communicate less, but the paper left out on the desk also means less. Perhaps that's why a document left on my desktop doesn't necessarily require my attention.
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Post by stdang on Mar 29, 2016 3:43:44 GMT
The applicability of the findings of this paper are most easily seen in web-based productivity tools such as to-do lists and calendars. Something as simple as flagging an email in outlook allows a user to keep an additional important pile on top of a typically chronological "pile". When you look at productivity applications such as trello, you see features for the easy creation of todo item via multiple means (ie: email, mobile app, SMS, etc). Trello also supports spatial organization and manipulation of items with the ability to set task priorities and deadlines so that the application can display active tasks for a given day as well as increasingly urgent tasks as deadlines approach. Mural.ly allows for a collaborative multi-user space that focuses on spatial organization and visualization of objects within a workspace. While none of these applications follow all of the design recommendations, they do take the spirit of the findings which leverage the natural organizational mental models that users follow in order to define the primary operating paradigm of the application or application feature.
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Post by Cole on Mar 29, 2016 3:44:52 GMT
I wonder if it is not only the desktop GUI that has outlived it's usefulness, but also the filesystem concept itself. I basically work out of two main folders on my computer: Downloads and Documents. Downloads is for things downloaded through Google Chrome. Documents is for files that had "Documents" as the default save path when I used the program. There is no real organization, and as Mike says, search doesn't save me on my computer. I generally just find things by date or filename, neither of which is too compelling.
On the other hand, I have 128.571 emails in my Gmail account, and I don't seem to have trouble finding that one order receipt from a decade ago. What's different? Google search seems to work, and I can search by contents, fate range, participants, subject, etc. Inbox by Gmail actually improves this by pulling out information I'm likely to need like "my Aadvantage number". In the end, I think categorization is an absolutely terrible idea for computers, and it should all just be one big pile with amazing search functionality.
So if folders and subfolders aren't a great idea, are files themselves? What if we didn't interact with individual files, but just the underlying information. I feel like this is somewhat like what is happening with smartphones. How often do you browse your filesystem on your phone? Usually, people just interact with the data in their apps, and I think that has been one of the major innovations in software in the past 10 years. You no longer have to import music files into Spotify or open a photo to edit (Apple Photos). It's already in a pile waiting for you.
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Post by julian on Mar 29, 2016 4:38:05 GMT
I think the problem with any digital format is freedom. In the physical world there are just so many things that we can do with a minimum amount of effort, in the digital world the amount of possibilities using the same effort the options are way higher as well as the chances for organizing in a completely useless way.
It is interesting that despite early suggestions that we could probably use tags they do not seem to be used. Although, things like the omni-document search that we find in macOs as the spotlight search and similar functionality found on windows and Linux, does really make the difference in finding documents. This, unfortunately does not fix the problem of urgency or priority although probably people use to-do lists or digital calendars.
The only implementation that I have seen that really uses a lot of the functionality sought of in the paper is Google Inbox. Google Inbox from what I understand classifies automatically and creates bundles, has to do's and reminders, etc.
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